Natasha Leonard, a columnist at The Intercept and author of "Being Numerous," dives into the intricacies of Antifa as an anti-fascist movement. She explores its historical roots and decentralized tactics, emphasizing the difference between perception and reality. The conversation highlights key events that shaped public opinion, particularly in the 2020 protests, where anti-racist movements were mischaracterized as Antifa-driven. Leonard sheds light on the implications of this narrative, particularly under Trump's campaign rhetoric, showcasing the complexities of modern anti-fascism.