Joyce Karam is a senior news editor at Al-Monitor specializing in the Syrian conflict, while Nanar Hawash is a senior analyst at the International Crisis Group focusing on Syria's political dynamics. They discuss Hayat Tahrir al-Sham's unexpected victory and the flight of Bashar al-Assad, marking a dramatic shift in power. The chaos brings both hope and uncertainty for Syria's future governance. The conversation dives into the roles of regional powers and the potential for a transformed HTS as it attempts to shed its extremist legacy.