In this thought-provoking discussion, guest Nagmeh Panahi, an abuse survivor and advocate, shares her personal journey and critiques the church's response to abuse, detailing her own experiences at Calvary Chapel. Co-guest Leslie Vernick, a Christian counselor, offers insights on the complex dynamics of love and abuse in marriage, emphasizing the importance of boundaries. Together, they challenge dangerous interpretations of Scripture that permit abuse, encouraging listeners to reclaim discernment and advocate for the vulnerable within the church.