Hossam Bagat, Executive Director of the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights, and Nabil Rajab, a foundational figure in the Bahraini human rights movement, discuss the dire humanitarian crisis in Gaza, where thousands have perished amid ongoing conflict. They explore global responses and citizens' protests, alongside Egypt's complex role in the situation. The conversation delves into challenges facing human rights advocates due to geopolitical tensions and debates whether to reform or dismantle the global human rights system, highlighting the urgent need for innovative approaches.