Karen Middleton, political editor at Guardian Australia, and Mostafa Rachwani, community affairs reporter, explore Peter Dutton's hardline stance on Gazan refugees. They discuss the political calculations behind his rhetoric and how it affects public sentiment and policy. The conversation delves into Australia's visa complexities for Palestinians and the challenges they face amid conflict. They also highlight the humanitarian implications of closed borders and the rise of independent voices calling for a more compassionate approach to refugee intake.