Gordon Ryan, a champion submission grappler and author, teams up with Mo Jassim, head organizer of the ADCC World Championships, for a thrilling conversation. They discuss the evolution of jiu-jitsu competitions and the psychological aspects of grappling, including the pressures of competition and the importance of mental resilience. The duo also reflects on rising talents in the sport and shares personal stories about training in Puerto Rico, adding a layer of humor and insight into the jiu-jitsu community's challenges and triumphs.