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Mitch Saunders
Longtime friend of John Vasconcellos who is interviewed in the episode to provide personal recollections and context about Vasconcellos's life and work.
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Jan 23, 2026
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You and Me and Mr. Self-Esteem
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Will Storr, an author and journalist, joins Mitch Saunders, a longtime friend of John Vasconcellos, to explore the fascinating rise and fall of the self-esteem movement. They dive into Vasconcellos's transformative journey from a troubled upbringing to a charismatic political figure who championed self-esteem as a public policy tool. Listeners learn about the controversial impacts of self-esteem initiatives in schools and the cultural backlash that followed. Storr and Saunders reflect on the complexities of self-worth, ultimately questioning whether elevating self-esteem is truly beneficial.
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