Mikkel McAvenon

Mikkel McAvenon, a producer who delved into the clandestine history of The Real Book, joins forces with jazz musician and educator Steve Swallow, who contributed to its creation. They discuss how this unlicensed collection became essential for jazz musicians since the 1970s, transforming jazz education. The episode dives into the tensions between unauthorized musical resources and personal expression, the evolution of fake books, and the cultural legacy left by this iconic compendium, illuminating the vibrant chaos that is jazz.