Francois Chollet, an AI researcher known for Keras and the ARC challenge, joins Mike Knoop, collaborator on the ARC challenge, to launch the new version of the ARC prize. They discuss how ARC v2 integrates human calibration and adversarial selection, ensuring that even top LLMs struggle against it. The conversation highlights the evolution from ARC v1 to v2, the complexities of AI task design, and the urgent need for rigorous testing methods to bridge the gap between human and AI intelligence in the quest for artificial general intelligence.