Mike Erre, a pastor known for his Voxology podcast, is joined by Shane Claiborne, an author and activist focused on social justice. They discuss strategies for maintaining family harmony during holiday gatherings amid political tensions. Claiborne reflects on the legacy of his friend, Tony Campolo, emphasizing the importance of the 'red letters' of the Bible in advocating for social justice. They also delve into the challenges faced by churches today and the meaning of gratitude during trying times, weaving humor and poignant insights throughout.