Iván Cepeda, a Colombian Senator and human rights advocate, is joined by lawyer Miguel Ángel del Río, who represents key witnesses against former President Álvaro Uribe. They discuss the unprecedented trial involving serious charges of bribery and fraud. The conversation highlights the courageous testimonies of victims and witnesses, revealing the deep entanglements of politics and crime in Colombia. They also explore the trial's potential to reshape Colombian democracy and the ongoing challenges in seeking justice for powerful figures.