Michelle has a BA from Harvard, 3 master’s degrees, and a Ph.D. from Notre Dame university. In other words, she’s smarter than you and I combined. Anyway, she’s also a lovely person who’s written a killer book called Neither Complementarian Nor Egalitarian, which addresses the pros and cons of where the current debates about men and women in the church lie. This book forms the topic of our conversation. We talk about Ephesians 5 and the meaning of Kephale (“head”), the meaning of leadership in the NT, and 1 Tim 2, among other things. Find out more about Michelle here: https://www.biola.edu/directory/people/michelle-leebarnewall If you would like to support Theology in the Raw, please visit patreon.com/theologyintheraw for more information! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dr. Michelle Lee-Barnewall, an award-winning author and New Testament scholar, shares her insights on faith, identity, and race. She reflects on growing up as a Korean girl in a predominantly white mining town, navigating the challenges of belonging and racial discrimination. The conversation explores the complexities of gender roles within the church, the importance of mentorship in academia, and invites a discussion on the significance of empathy and grace in understanding diverse identities within the body of Christ.