Tyler Pager, a White House correspondent for The New York Times, and Michael Warren, Senior editor at The Dispatch, dive deep into the economic turmoil under President Trump. They discuss the tension between rising layoffs and small business struggles amidst market instability. The conversation reveals the political repercussions of Trump's NATO doubts and Governor Newsom's stance on transgender athletes. Insights on the shifting political landscape as we approach the 2024 elections and the cultural disconnect between economic data and public sentiment add to the intrigue.