In this insightful discussion, Alexander Dugin, a prominent philosopher and geopolitical thinker, delves into his controversial ideologies, including the fourth political theory and national Bolshevism. Joined by Michael Millerman, a leading translator of Dugin's work, they explore the challenges of censorship and the complexities of modern political thought. The conversation also highlights Dugin's unique philosophical landscape, contrasting chaos and order, and critiques the American perspective on Russian thought. Their dialogue pushes for a deeper understanding of alternative political frameworks.