Michael Lopp, experienced engineering leader at Apple, Palantir, and Slack, talks about his 'utopia' where engineers have time to create, what makes an excellent engineering leader, navigating internal dynamics between design, engineering, and product, and key lessons from over 30 years in the industry.

Community creator and engineering leader at Apple, Michael Lopp (aka rands), joins Jason and Eiso to chat about the power of storytelling for engineering and the state of content for engineering leaders. The author of "Small Things Done Well" shares his opinions on video conferencing, distributed work, and how managers can create more authentic connections with remote teams. Discover how writing can make you a better leader and the importance of explicit communication as we navigate the challenges of remote cultures in this fun-packed episode. Learn more about some of the topics discussed on this episode at go.developingleadership.co/ep11  Join the discussion and follow us on twitter @ devleadership_ Developing Leadership is a podcast presented by Athenian. We are introducing the world of engineering to metrics and data that improve processes and help teams. If you want to learn more about data-enabled engineering, go to athenian.co