Mary Ziegler, an expert on reproductive rights, joins Peter Shamshiri and Michael Liroff, co-hosts of 5-4, to discuss the shifting legal landscape surrounding abortion in America. They dive deep into the historical context of outdated laws like the Comstock Act and their contemporary ramifications. The conversation also touches on the potential impact of a second Trump term on civil liberties and the judiciary. The trio emphasizes the fragility of democracy, raising concerns about the intertwining of political power and private interests.