Tom Occhino, Chief Product Officer at Vercel, shares insights into the evolution of React and its journey from skepticism to widespread adoption. He reflects on his transition from Facebook to Vercel, highlighting Next.js's role in driving innovation. Kurt Mackey discusses deploying apps with Fly.io, while Michael Greenwich from WorkOS introduces enterprise-ready features. The trio also explores the challenges and future of web components and their integration with frameworks, emphasizing the balance between developer and user experience.

Tom Occhino, Chief Product Officer at Vercel with a robust background in React, joins Kurt Mackey, CEO of Fly.io, and Michael Greenwich, CEO of WorkOS. They discuss the evolution of React and its transformative impact on development. Tom shares his transition to Vercel, emphasizing the role of Next.js in innovation. The conversation touches on the challenges of web components compared to frameworks, the balance of simplicity in Next.js innovations, and how tools are evolving to enhance developer experience.

Nick Nisi shares his insights and experiences from SquiggleConf, while Amy Dutton, a core contributor to Redwood.js, discusses the latest in JavaScript frameworks. Kurt Mackey highlights the benefits of Fly.io for developers, and Dani Grant introduces Jam.dev, a tool simplifying bug reporting. The team dives into the exciting new features of Svelte 5, emphasizing its innovations in reactive programming, and engages in a lively discussion about navigating the complexities of open source and enterprise solutions.

Adam Azzam, a seasoned product manager at Prefect, and Michael Greenwich, the innovative CEO of WorkOS, dive into the evolving landscape of workflow orchestration in AI. They discuss how Prefect's open-source library simplifies complex processes for data scientists. Azzam introduces Marvin, an AI Slack bot transforming task management, while exploring the challenges of agentic workflows and failure modes. The conversation highlights the necessity for robust engineering and user-friendly features to enhance observability and resilience in modern applications.

Kurt Mackey, Co-founder and CEO of Fly.io, and Michael Greenwich, CEO of WorkOS, dive into key issues in web development. They discuss Evan You’s new venture, VoidZero, and the challenges with AWS cloud services. The conversation shifts to the complexities of startup life, including motivations and community importance. They also tackle the implications of Matt Mullenweg's legal troubles for WordPress, and the ongoing debate about the future of web components in tech. Their insights illuminate the intertwining of innovation and the realities of entrepreneurship.