Kelsey McKinney, a writer from Defector, and Dr. Mel Stanfill, author of *Fandom is Ugly*, dive into the complexities of celebrity culture and the intense scrutiny pop stars face, particularly concerning gender dynamics. They discuss Chappell Roan's experiences with obsessive fans and the misunderstandings surrounding celebrity status. The conversation shifts to MrBeast, the YouTube sensation, exploring his viral charity videos and how they redefine philanthropy amid a perceived 'generosity crisis' in traditional charitable giving.