In this engaging conversation, transhumanist thinker Natasha Vita-More and computer scientist Anders Sandberg dive into the visionary ideas of the 1990s Extropian movement. They explore the risks and promises of AI, examining fears of machines taking control and the impact on democracy. Both guests reflect on how early internet communities shaped today's tech landscape. They discuss the ethical dilemmas of augmented humanity and the intricate balance between innovation and caution in our rapidly evolving technological future.