In this discussion, Max Jones, a contributor and producer, delves into the influence of the PayPal Mafia on healthcare policies during the Trump administration. He highlights the dangers of biotechnology deregulation, particularly in light of the surveillance state and corporate interests. The conversation explores the ethical concerns surrounding the use of Palantir in public health data management and critiques current health policies that prioritize speed over safety. Jones warns of potential Orwellian outcomes from the interplay between biotech, regulation, and surveillance.