John Wilson shares his journey of growing a small plumbing business to $26m, with plans for $100m. Topics include family business, acquisitions, ad spend during Covid, why he buys small businesses, installing an operator, and the challenges of scaling a business. He discusses the taxonomy of blue collar businesses and shares references for further learning.

Matthias Smith, a seasoned expert in SBA lending and business buying, shares his insights on debt service ratios, business financing, and navigating bank negotiations. He emphasizes the importance of finding a good lender and offers advice for business buyers. Matthias's commitment to supporting entrepreneurs and his expertise in the field shine through in this engaging conversation.