In this conversation, adventure filmmaker and photographer Matthew Irving shares his journey from wildland firefighting to filmmaking. They discuss the balance between professional obligations and personal ethics. Matthew opens up about the challenges of jealousy and self-doubt in the industry, emphasizing support among creatives. The duo reflects on aging, fulfillment, and the joy of nature, while navigating the complexities of parenthood and societal expectations. Their candid exchange highlights the importance of authenticity and staying true to oneself in both work and life.