Steve and Matt discuss slowing down, unlearning, sabbaticals, finding good work, letting go of jealousy, competitiveness vs enoughness, Matt's apprenticeship, Downshift program, ambition, marriage, family, reframing money, launching decelerator.

In this engaging conversation, Matt Yao, an explorer of writing and coaching, interviews Paul Millerd about his transformative book, Good Work. They dive into the shifting nature of work, urging listeners to prioritize meaning over traditional roles. They reflect on financial independence and the joys of self-employment, along with the pivotal role of creativity in everyday tasks. The duo also shares insights on sabbaticals and the balance between career and parenting, encouraging a spirit of experimentation in both personal and professional lives.