Political commentator and author Matt Lewis, known for his Never Trump stance, joins to delve into the future of Trump's influence. They discuss Trump’s legacy, analyzing best and worst-case scenarios for America. Lewis reflects on Kamala Harris’ failed campaign and Trump’s polarizing persona, likening him to a charismatic figure with complicated loyalties. The conversation covers January 6th's repercussions on American democracy and the evolving dynamics within the Republican Party, emphasizing the tangled nature of current political identities.

Kristen Kobes Du Mez, author of "Jesus and John Wayne," uncovers the intertwining of evangelicalism and politics. Brad Onishi discusses the rise of Christian nationalism alongside Matt Lewis' analysis of the Trump-evangelical dynamic. Andy Kroll exposes the secretive Ziklag network’s political maneuvers. Keri Gaspert-Hogwood examines charismatic religions' influence. Ryan Walters advocates Bible education in schools, and John Malcolm highlights constitutional implications. This engaging discussion reveals how faith shapes politics in America today.