Darin Anderson, CEO of Salas O'Brien, leads a prominent employee-owned engineering firm, while Matt Goss, a senior VP at CDM Smith, specializes in electrical engineering for public infrastructure. They delve into the surprising 18% revenue growth in 2024, key hiring challenges in the industry, and innovative strategies for attracting talent, such as employee ownership and robust internship programs. The conversation also touches on the ethical implications of AI in engineering and forecasts for 2025, emphasizing the importance of adaptability in an evolving market.