In this enlightening conversation, Chris Brauns, a seasoned pastor and author of Unpacking Forgiveness, and Matt Ferguson, lead pastor and forgiveness theologian, challenge the notion of unconditional forgiveness. They clarify the stark contrast between 'Therapeutic Forgiveness' and true 'Biblical Forgiveness,' emphasizing the need for repentance. With profound insights, they highlight how demanding accountability can be a loving act, and explore how Jesus’ teachings align with this perspective. This discussion is a must-listen for anyone grappling with forgiveness.