Steve Manuel is the Co-Founder & CEO of Dylibso, which is creating developer tools to take WebAssembly to production. Matt Butcher is the Co-Founder & CEO of Fermyon which is building a cloud product to deploy & manage WebAssembly apps faster than existing cloud solutions. In this talk, both founders talk about why they are excited to build in the WebAssembly ecosystem, why Wasm is going to enable developers to have superpowers as the Wasm standards mature, and current companies & use cases that WebAssembly enables today. This episode strikes a great balance of giving a high level overview of why the technology is so compelling while also going deeper for developers interested in using Wasm in the near term.Where to Find Steve:* LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevemanuel/* Twitter: https://twitter.com/nilslice* Blog: https://dylibso.com/blog/* Github: https://github.com/extism/extism* Company Website: https://dylibso.com/Where to Find Matt:* LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattbutcher/* Twitter: https://twitter.com/technosophos* Blog: https://www.fermyon.com/blog/index* Github: https://github.com/fermyon/spin* Company Website: https://www.fermyon.com/Where to Find Shomik:* Twitter: https://twitter.com/shomikghosh21* LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shomik-ghosh-a5a71319/* Software Snack Bites Newsletter: https://www.shomik.substack.com* Software Snack Bites Podcast: Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google.In this episode, we cover:(00:47) - Matt & Fermyon’s Background(03:13) - Steve & Dylibso’s Background(05:26) - Primer on What WebAssembly Actually Is(10:20) - How Wasm Bundles Benefits of Security, Observability, and Startup Speed(12:33) - How Standards are Rapidly Improving to Improve Wasm Use(14:00) - What Use Cases Wasm is Not a Fit For(16:22) - Companies Using Wasm in Production for Various Use Cases (Shopify, Disney+)(29:49) - Containers & WebAssembly (Friends or Foe?)(34:50) - WebAssembly & Kubernetes (Friends or Foe?)(40:00) - How Can Companies Start to Use Wasm Within Legacy Systems(44:44) - Why Adoption is Rapidly Accelerating(52:29) - What Could Prevent the Wasm Ecosystem from Realizing It’s Vision(56:05) - Favorite Technology/App(58:00) - Favorite SnackAdditional Show Notes:* Postgres Wasm by Snaplet and Supabase* Fermyon’s Language Support Tracker for Wasm* Dylibso’s Launch Blog Post* Solomon’s (Co-Founder of Docker) Infamous Tweet on Wasm* Kelsey Hightower’s Tweet on Wasm Interoperating with Kubernetes* How ZigLang Used Wasm to Eliminate 80k Lines of Legacy CodeHow to Subscribe:Available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or Google or any podcast player. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit shomik.substack.com

Matt Butcher, Co-founder of Fermyon Technologies and WebAssembly expert, discusses his background, the potential of WebAssembly for cloud computing, the benefits of WebAssembly, and the challenges and progress in this field. Topics include enhanced security models, Google's early containers, scaling and anticipating requests, comparison of virtual machines, containers, and micro VMs, fast startup times in WebAssembly, metaphysics and software development, effective communication in code development, and requirements of different teams and jobs.

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