Scholars Chris Kavanagh and Matt Browne join for a lively panel discussion on conspiritualists. They explain their 'Gurometer' method of decoding influencers. They also resolve the argument about sacred beliefs shaping political worldviews. The podcast explores the overlap between politics, psychology, and secular gurus, and discusses the transformation of critical thinkers into COVID contrarians. The hosts reflect on their work and the influence of religious beliefs on political ideologies.

Brett Weinstein and Heather Weinstein discuss conspiracy influencers, echo chambers, and distortions. They explore the link between influencers and right-wing propagandists, mentioning Russell Brand and Joe Rogan. The podcast also examines the relationship between intense identification with hidden knowledge and narcissism, mentioning the story of Narcissus from ancient Roman mythology.