Matan Kaminer

Dana El Kurd, a journalist focusing on Arab-Israeli relations, discusses Gaza's reconstruction and the implications of international aid efforts. Matan Kaminer and Ben Schumann-Stoler delve into the motivations behind the Abraham Accords and the normalization of relations, analyzing its impact on local populations. They critique the rhetoric of tolerance as a tool for coercion and explore the growing discontent among the public regarding elite political agreements. The conversation also touches on the geopolitical future concerning potential Saudi normalization with Israel.

Dana El Kurd hosts Matan Kaminer, an anthropologist researching migration and Arab-Israeli normalization, and Ben Schuman-Stoler, founder of Kolo Media and co-creator of the Bad Cousins podcast. They delve into the Abraham Accords, unpacking how this diplomatic framework both clarifies and muddles the reality of Palestinian rights. The conversation highlights the stark critique of 'tolerance' rhetoric as coercive, the implications of normalization in Gulf states, and the necessity of linking Gaza's struggles to broader global issues like democracy and climate.