In this engaging conversation, Markus Thurner, director of technology at Vista, delves into the realm of DevOps and engineering excellence. He highlights the crucial balance between training engineers and maintaining productivity. The group discusses the evolving landscape of cloud services versus on-premise data centers, and the complexities of managing costs. Drawing fascinating analogies from sports, they emphasize the importance of teamwork, scalable coding practices, and continual improvement. Plus, they share tech recommendations and an inspiring Metallica twist tied to history!