Markus Haas, co-founder and CEO of Freedom Factory, shares his journey in creating ethOS, a crypto-native device. He delves into the need for alternatives to conventional systems like iOS and Android, advocating for open-source solutions. The conversation highlights the importance of user control and security through GrapheneOS. Markus also discusses innovative wallet designs within ethOS and the playful aspects of engaging with crypto. He further explores the challenges of securing funding for such ambitious, capital-intensive projects.