Mark Rogop, a longtime pastor and president of the Gospel Coalition, and Brad Edwards, pastor and author, dive into the complexities of resilience in church leadership. They discuss how societal shifts impact conflict resolution and intergenerational dynamics. The conversation highlights the need for authentic communication and trust in ministry. They emphasize that enduring hardship can foster spiritual growth, urging that true renewal in the church requires perseverance through pain and a commitment to communal faith over individualism.