Mark McKenna, Professor Emeritus of History at the University of Sydney and expert on Australian constitutional history, joins the discussion with Waleed Aly and Scott Stephens. They delve into the challenges facing the First Nations Voice referendum and the conservative disposition of Australians regarding constitutional change. The conversation highlights the historical lessons from the 1967 referendum and the need for inclusivity in Australia’s evolving identity. McKenna emphasizes the importance of addressing fears and uncertainties to foster a positive dialogue around potential reforms.