Mark Leon Goldberg, publisher of Global Dispatches and an expert in international affairs, dives into the intricate relationship between Trump and the UN. He discusses whether Trump is truly anti-internationalist and reflects on the most pro-UN president post-Cold War. The conversation covers the imperative of global governance, challenges faced by the ICC and ICJ, and the significance of the WHO amid the pandemic. They also analyze the evolving Republican stance on international cooperation and the humanitarian implications of U.S. foreign policy.