Mark Isaacs, a journalist from The Saturday Paper, sheds light on the heartbreaking case of Ali Jafari, an Afghan refugee in a legal quagmire due to ASIO's allegations of people smuggling. The episode tackles the profound emotional impact on Jafari's family, now separated for over a decade. Isaacs discusses the opaque nature of ASIO's evidence, often kept from those it targets, and the broader implications for justice and national security. He emphasizes the relentless fight for transparency faced by Jafari's legal team, amidst legislative shifts that hinder fair trials.