Marco Raugei, a Senior Lecturer at Oxford Brookes University and an expert in energy systems, discusses the intricacies of the energy transition. He highlights how oversimplifications in public narratives can obscure important trade-offs. The conversation delves into the sustainability of renewable technologies, the complexities of energy return on investment, and the need for a systemic approach to address ecological challenges. Raugei calls for critical thinking and careful analysis to navigate the evolving landscape of energy and electrification.