

Mara van der Lugt
Lecturer in philosophy at the University of St Andrews and author of Hopeful Pessimism.
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Jul 14, 2025 • 56min
Hopeful pessimism
Philosopher Mara van der Lugt, a lecturer at the University of St Andrews and author of 'Hopeful Pessimism,' dives into the complexities of balancing hope and despair. She discusses how blind hope can lead to disappointment and advocates for a more realistic, nuanced mindset. The conversation covers the emotional intricacies of climate activism, highlighting Greta Thunberg's unique blend of hope and realism. Van der Lugt emphasizes that acknowledging darker emotions like anger and grief can inspire authentic change in a troubled world.