Mandy Smith, a pastor at St. Lucia Uniting Church and author of Confessions of an Amateur Saint, shares her insights on navigating the pressures of ministry. She emphasizes the importance of recognizing burnout and the need for intentional rest, like observing a Monday Sabbath. Smith discusses the balance between the 'true self' and 'false self' in leadership, and the necessity of daily prayer for guidance. The conversation also touches on vulnerability in leadership and how embracing desperation can lead to renewed strength and spiritual growth.

In this engaging discussion, Mandy Smith, a pastor and award-winning author, shares insights from her book, *Confessions of an Amateur Saint*. She emphasizes the value of vulnerability in leadership, revealing how sharing struggles can lead to deeper connections and spiritual growth. Mandy explores the balance between self-sufficiency and reliance on God, highlighting the transformative power of humility. She also discusses the role of joy and creativity in ministry, advocating for honesty among Christian leaders to foster community and trust.