Madoc Cairns, a writer known for his obituary of Pope Francis, joins Finn McRedmond, a keen Vatican observer, to discuss the historic election of the first American pope, Leo XIV. They examine the complexities Leo faces as he navigates the legacy of his predecessor and the cultural shifts within the Church. The conversation highlights challenges like the sexual abuse crisis, balancing liberal and conservative factions, and how social media can modernize the Church's outreach. Overall, it’s a thought-provoking exploration of faith in a contemporary context.