Madeleine Ngo, an economic policy reporter at Vox, and Jacob Goldstein, a contributor with a keen eye for economic complexities, dive into the intriguing debate on the current state of the U.S. economy. They discuss the technical definition of a recession, the implications of shrinking GDP, and the mixed signals from economists about our economic health. Consumer sentiment, labor market dynamics, and the ethical dilemmas surrounding growth versus stasis also take center stage, making for a thought-provoking conversation about our financial future.