Maciej «MJ» Jedrzejewski, a tech agnostic architect and author of "Master Software Architecture," joins Artur Skowroński, head of Java & Kotlin Engineering at VirtusLab. They dive into the evolution of software architecture, reflecting on the humorous challenges of early computing with Atari. The duo critiques modern trends like microservices and serverless computing, discussing their limitations. They also explore self-publishing and highlight essential readings for architects, emphasizing the importance of adaptability in software practices.