Ma Tianjie

Ma Tianjie, a Beijing-based journalist and environmental activist, dives into the life of Pan Yue, a key figure in the Chinese Communist Party advocating for ecological civilization. They discuss how this concept melds traditional Chinese values with eco-Marxism, raising questions about its sincerity versus eco-authoritarianism. The conversation explores historical narratives, grassroots activism spurred by severe pollution, and the role of governmental policy in shaping environmental futures. Tianjie also critiques romanticized views of China's ecological efforts and examines the impact of geopolitical tensions on green initiatives.