In this conversation, Luke Kjolhaug, an author and pastor from Elam Lutheran Church, dives into his book, Sinner Saint: A Surprising Primer to the Christian Life. He explores the intriguing idea of simul iustus et peccator, showing how Christians can be both flawed and justified. Luke shares personal insights on faith, grace, and the importance of imputation, while tackling misconceptions around sanctification. Their discussion reveals how this duality can lead to a more authentic spiritual journey.