Luke Behncke, raised in rural Australia and a practitioner of Gurdjieff's system, engages in a deep dialogue with visionary philosopher Jordan Hall, who recently converted to Christianity. They explore the connections between Gurdjieff's teachings and contemporary Christian thought, highlighting the importance of a living faith and personal spiritual practices. The conversation touches on themes like parental vulnerability in child development, the duality of sleep in spiritual growth, and the tension between personal agency and spiritual connection, alongside the complexities of good and evil.