In this engaging discussion, Gary Marcus, a renowned scientist and AI entrepreneur, alongside Luis Lamb, Secretary of Innovation for Science and Technology in Brazil, dive into the future of artificial intelligence. They challenge the limitations of deep learning and advocate for a hybrid neurosymbolic approach to enhance AI understanding and reasoning. Topics include the importance of integrating symbolic reasoning, exploring the complexities of abstraction, and the role of intention in knowledge acquisition. Their insights illuminate the path towards more sophisticated AI systems that can genuinely understand and reason like humans.