Luis Alberto Urrea discusses the deep meaning of borders, challenging stereotypes and promoting inclusivity. He shares personal experiences, humor, and messiness in navigating contemporary challenges. The conversation explores diverse literary works, cultural identity, humanizing tools, and the vivid symbolism of the Mexican-American border.

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We humans have this drive to erect barriers between ourselves and others, Luis Alberto Urrea says, and yet this makes us a little crazy. He is an exuberant, wise, and refreshing companion into the deep meaning and the problem of borders — what they are really about, what we do with them, and what they do to us. The Mexican-American border was as close and personal to him as it could be when he was growing up — an apt expression of his parents’ turbulent Mexican-American divorce. In his writing and in this conversation, he complicates every dehumanizing stereotype of Mexicans, "migrants" — and border guards. A deep truth of our time, Luis insists, is that “we miss each other.” He offers a vision of the larger possibility of our time beyond the terrible tangles of today: that we might evolve the old illusion of the melting pot into a 21st-century richness of “us." And he delightfully models that messiness and humor will be required.Luis Alberto Urrea is a distinguished professor of creative writing at the University of Illinois Chicago. His books of poetry, fiction, and nonfiction include Into the Beautiful North, The Devil’s Highway, The Hummingbird’s Daughter, and Goodnight, Irene.This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode "Luis Alberto Urrea — On Our Belonging to Each Other." Find the transcript for that show at onbeing.org.