Lt. Diane Goldstein

Sarko Gergerian, a police officer and MDMA-assisted psychotherapist, joins Rick Doblin, founder of MAPS, and Diane Goldstein, former lieutenant at LEAP, to discuss the evolution of law enforcement's relationship with psychedelics. They explore how psychedelics can transform crisis response training for officers, enhance mental health support, and heal trauma among first responders. The conversation highlights the urgent need for progressive policies to promote therapeutic models and shift societal narratives around drug use.

Lt. Diane Goldstein, a former police lieutenant and advocate for drug policy reform, passionately argues for decriminalization, emphasizing the need for evidence-based strategies that save lives. Opposing her, Hector Berrellez, a decorated former DEA agent, highlights the dangers of drug legalization and the complexities of addiction. Together, they unpack the opioid crisis, the failures of the war on drugs, and the importance of compassionate treatment. Their debate explores innovative models like Portugal's, calling for systemic reforms to address addiction and community health.