Eric Newcomer, tech journalist and Substack writer, Logan Bartlett, a venture capital partner, and Alex Kantrowitz, Forbes senior editor, delve into the current tech crisis brought on by rising interest rates. They discuss the challenges startups face in funding and valuation, and the shift in venture capital towards sustainable investment strategies. The conversation also touches on Shopify's influence on e-commerce, the vulnerabilities of SaaS models, and the cultural legacy of the iPod, exploring its impact on modern technology.