Michael Cohen, former lawyer for Donald Trump, shares revealing insights from his time in the Trump administration, criticizing political maneuvers and the evolving rhetoric surrounding presidential pardons. Liz Oyer, ex-DOJ pardon attorney, discusses her departure from the Department of Justice and the challenges of maintaining integrity in a politicized environment. Their engaging conversation touches on Chuck Schumer’s leadership struggles, media manipulation, and the urgent need for reform within the justice system amid rising political pressures.