Lisa Hagan

Lisa Hagan, an NPR reporter who covered NatalCon, dives into the intriguing pro-natalist movement gaining momentum in the U.S. She discusses how figures like Elon Musk and JD Vance champion the cause of increasing birth rates. The conversation touches on modern society's changing expectations regarding family, the clash between traditional values and contemporary feminism, and the motivations driving this demographic concern. The rise of pronatalism reflects a broader debate on the implications of declining fertility rates for America's future.

Lisa Hagan, an NPR journalist focusing on far-right immigration rhetoric, and Kuo Jingnan, an expert on the normalization of fringe ideas, discuss the surge of calls for mass deportations in American politics. They explore how once-fringe concepts like 'remigration' have entered mainstream discourse, showing alarming parallels with white nationalist ideologies. The conversation reveals the historical roots of these ideas and their implications for national identity and policy, highlighting the troubling rise of anti-immigrant sentiment in both the U.S. and Europe.